Celtic appeal to the SFA? Not in that sense
Ding Ding another round
The Celtic website has announced that Celtic are to appeal the sending off of Jamie Forrest in the 1-1 draw against Hamilton Academicals on Wednesday night. The match was littered with controversy with serial offender Willie Collum and his officials making game changing mistakes throughout the evening.
As Forrest received a straight red card, Celtic are able to appeal the decision and it makes sense for the club to do so. The red card looked harsh but when compared to the over the top challenge in the first half by Skelton on Biram Kayal, it looked a very strange decision.
Monday’s night cup between Rangers and Kilmarnock at Ibrox also featured a number of sliding challenges similar to Forrest’s and none of them were dealt with in such a manner.
George Peat will no doubt be choking on his lunch at the moment and getting Darryl Broadfoot to draft up another scathing attack on Celtic. With the clock ticking on Peat’s SFA career, it is more than likely he will raise his head above the parapet once again to chastise and criticise the East-End club.
The sad thing is, there appears to be no end in sight to the feud between Celtic and the SFA, with both parties unwilling to back down. It has went too far for either side to back down but with officials making seriously wrong calls on a far too frequent basis, which will ultimately cost managers their job but not earn a referee or linesman a demotion, one side certainly holds all the power.
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We should hand the league to Celtic, honestly its the only way they will shut up
Some Facts:-
Penalties in league games this season awarded in favour of – Celtic 8 – Rangers 6
Against – Celtic 1- Against Rangers 3 – We have a major disparity there with Celtic awarded 89% of the pens awarded in their matches, Rangers awarded 66% in theirs – One team getting a clear advantage. indeed 8 pens awarded to Celtic in 20 games, 5 in the 9 away games they have played, incredible
Celtic have also had 5 players sent off against them this season with Rangers having 3 opponents sent off
Could you imagine the outrage last night if Rangers were involved in a game where the opposition had 2 players sent off, then they were awarded a penalty in stoppage time when 1 nil down and then the referee played 7 and a half mins of Injury time? We would never hear the end of it
Its not so long ago 5 mins at Tynecastle was subject to huge scrutiny when Rangers won the game (scoring in the 3rd min of the 5 added on!) Celtic last night got 50% more of that in regards of Injury time
Just let us know what it is EXACTLY your mob want and we will see if we can make it happen?
The facts, quite simply, dont match the level of paranoia coming out of that club, imagine how they will react once all the above gets evened up!!
Well said Scooter. Celtc have also had more penalties given in old firm games over the last decade than Rangers have had yet their paranoid minds twist that into bias for Rangers and against Celtc.
Over both clubs entire history Rangers have had more red cards and less penalties than Celtc yet this is somehow seen as bias against celtc.
IMO it’s a collective failure of logic and reasoning and a victory of blind belief over the the facts in TOTAL.
Celtc and their fans are extremely proficient at selectively picking evidence that suits their case and equally proficient at glossing over all that doesn’t.
The points made in your and my posts for example. These somehow take on less significance in the celtc mind because they don’t fit the perception. It’s flawed thinking on a mass scale and I blame religion which is founded on blind belief.
If you’re the type who can accept as fact something with no evidence, you can accept anything, absolutely anything you want to.
Hello Scooter, obviously Celtic not winning last night meant you could come on the site unlike the first week of January.
Facts? Worthless without the story behind them.
Celtic had three penalties in one game – one when the score was at 8-0 Celtic. Is that the same worth as a penalty for Rangers (and a highly dubious one at that) for Rangers when they are drawing at Inverness Caley 1-1?
Celtic have had some crucial penalties – Motherwell and Killie away being notable ones but to take a count of the penalties and nothing else around them makes that argument null and void. What about denied penalties? One at Tynecastle when losing 2-0, one at home to St Johnstone late on when drawing 0-0, one last night at 1-0 down – where is the room in your facts for that?
What was it Rangers fans and the media used to doll out – attacking teams get more penalties, teams who have the ball in their box less have penalties given against them fewer. Again, not arguing with your facts but there are stories behind them.
The Rangers game at Tynecastle had, in comparison to last nights game, little in the way of stoppages. There was all the subs and one injury to Jelavic and possibly one other injury? As you pointed out, the Celtic game had two red cards and a number of injuries. We’ll take the time-wasting as being equal by the opposition teams.
Again about last night, you are putting out facts but not the whole story. An illegitimate goal allowed for the Accies, a harsh red card for Celtic and then a stone-wall penalty kick denied to Celtic (which should have made your earlier count 9…and of course would have given Celtic more time to chase a winner). The 2 red cards to Hamilton players were deserved, the Celtic penalty was deserved. There has to be a context. Rangers got 2 penalties at Rugby Park in a league game – no one (again, apart from the roasters) complained about that because they were certain penalty kicks. However, that doesn’t fit your argument or view of the world.
The majority of Celtic fans – no one can speak for them all, sure there will be some that want the moon on a stick – want fairness and transparency. If it turns out every boss for a similar offence gets 6 game bans, we’ll see. If every sliding tackle gets a red card, we’ll see. If the laws of offside no longer apply on demand, we’ll see.
Tossers the pair of ye!!!!!
“Celtc and their fans are extremely proficient at selectively picking evidence that suits their case and equally proficient at glossing over all that doesn’t.”
As are Rangers fans….and all football fans….and people who dislike football – it’s a natural trait for a human being to be more disposed to evidence that suits their cause.
However, it is rising above that and seeing both sides that makes better people.Certainly not claiming that we on this site are that but we always give credit where its due…maybe not enough but credit nonetheless.
However, this stating of blatant facts with none of the context proves absolutely nothing.
ED
Was on last week as well so poor response to be honest
Had to listen about Celtics team costing only £3.5m that beat us, how much was Accies side do you think, just a thought
Again selective memory, there were 4 or 5 stoppages for over a minute at a time at Tynecastle, not “1 or maybe 2″ that caused the 5 mins, I state again Rangers scored in 3rd min of that but didnt stop the debate
Again you defend with “what about penalty at Inverness” but agree Celtic benefitted by 2 decsions at Killie and Motherwell
Re the attacking football bit, Celtic have scored 3 goals more than Rangers after playing 3 games more, given the 9 against Aberdeen, it makes the penalty stats even more of a surprise and lopsided surely
Re similar offence stuff re Lennons ban, I have seriously never, and I mean never seen a manager react in the way he did at Tannadice or Tynecastle, unprecedented reactions could gain unprecedented responses I suppose
If Walter Smith reacted like a fan on a touchline I would think he gets what he deserves
So facts now only fit when they work for Celtic, why am I not surprised
WOW! Good comeback, This scooter geezer has really peed you off.
Also if you look at ratios of goals for and against for both teams, if we want to talk about attacking teams:-
Goals in Rangers matches in SPL – 58 – For Rangers – 39 – 67% – Almost bang in line with pens for and against – 66%, quite fair
Goals in Celtic games – 56 – For Celtic 42 – 75% – almost a 15% difference in Pens for and against stats – 89%- shocking imbalance
Doesnt stack up but no doubt its totally irrelevant
Again, please just write down on a A4 sheet what it is you need to win the league and we will pass it on, post it in same envelope as this weeks “Clarification” request if you like and SFA will get it ok
Scooter, if you are genuine when saying you have never seen a manager react like Lennon at Tannadice or Tynecastle then you cant watch a lot of football or your dislike of Lennon clouds that part of your judgment.
Selective memory – we had Rangers fans on this board totting up the injury time and they came to the conclusion that 5 minutes was justifiable, Celtic fans did the same sums and came up with different – think it was left as a hmmmmm but plausible. However, there wasn’t anything like the sort of delay like there was last night. 3 red cards and a penalty kick, all subs and injuries (with Hamilton players making sure the female trainer was on the park quite a lot, lets hope John McCormack wasn’t in the ground, his heart might have burst)
Celtic’s penalty kicks at Fir Park and Rugby Park were stonewall penalties, Rangers at Inverness was anything but, it’s all about context. As I said in the last response, there were no complaints about the penalties Rangers got at Killie, that was suicidal defending.
Again with the facts – so it is only goal tally that defines how much a team attacks? You know full well how clinical Rangers can be at sitting back and them killing teams on the break. Highly effective….but doesn’t see you play much in the opposition box.
Celtic, totally different from Rangers and nowhere near as clinical as Rangers (that Aberdeen anomaly aside) – the style of play Celtic have and their players means they are more likely to be in the opposition box and buzzing about inviting challenges.
Facts can’t tell you that because Celtic miss so many of the chances they create but watching both teams and understanding how they play will give an understanding of how penalties may be awarded.
Facts, like stats, are like mini-skirts – they give you good ideas but they can hide the most important thing. And who better than Ebbe Skovdahl to bring some light to the game with the origin of that quote.
Oh I watch a bit of football, Lennon is a law unto himself, a fan on the touchline
“Celtic’s penalty kicks at Fir Park and Rugby Park were stonewall penalties”
To put it simply they were not
Last word on subject from me, we know Celtic cannot drop points without it being someone elses fault, again its a Fact as Rafa would say
I think 5 points is a big gap and we have no chance of making it up now…………………….
Scooter, that doesn’t mean that at all. It could mean that Celtic miss a hell of a lot more chances than Rangers ie,. Celtic are attacking and in the opposition box a lot more than Rangers but dont take advantage of the situation – which if you have watched the two teams over the last seasons, you will know to be the case.
As for requests – no season extension please, the WeKnowSFA team is off to Barca at the end of May – would hate to be filing copy for relegation deciders (cos the league will be done!) and the cup final on holiday. Apart from that, just for refs to get the big decisions right way more often than not. No one expects 100% calls but no one should suffer the crap that is served up at the moment.
If the refs did their job properly everyone could see how bad and wasteful Celtic are and there would be none of this banter!
There would always be something else to blame, always
We wont need an extension, we wont be able to catch Celtic come Saturday once they go 8 ahead, so we can stop the season whenever we like,its all over..
miss chances ? the hamilton goalkeeper could have been in the dug out for 80 mins
Yeah but when you add in the half an hour of injury time that was played to aid Celtic, the keeper still managed a hell of a lot of saves from that point onwards.
It’ll be 6 tops by lunchtime the way the games are going – Rangers could well be level by midweek.
Regardless of Celtic’s win at Ibrox, Rangers are very much in the driving seat for the SPL.
In the case of the Forrest’s red card, I think Celtic are right to appeal, I do however think it will be rejected as I’m sure Collum rejected Millers sending off appeal against Dundee United that meant him missing the old firm game. Not suggesting balance, merely that he will back his own judgement in this instance when really it’s not him that should be judging the decision and subsequent appeal.
As for Lennon, can someone clear up the following for me?
He was given a two game ban for what offence specifically?
He subsequently appealed that decision and was given a further 4 games on top?
Am I correct in saying that he still has to answer possible charges from the Dundee United and Hearts games to face?
Lennon was sent off at Tynecastle – that was the original two match ban and would have stood at the time but Lennon appealed. Tuesday was the appeal.
From there it gets a bit murky – there was talk that Lennon would be punished with an additional two match ban for excessive misconduct at Tynecastle but it appears to have rolled into 6 in total now.You could maybe argue that its 2 for the sending off, 2 for the excessive misconduct and then the further 2 for having the cheek to appeal.
However, the SFA don’t indicate these things so who knows. It was said on the radio last night that Lennon’s appeal will be against the full 6 games as opposed to the 2 or 4 because thats how the SFA rolls with these matters.
If that is the case, he has no chance of being successful – he could very well appeal against the additional 2 for excessive misconduct or the 2 for the appeal but the actual sending offence will always stand.
Dundee United – this stemmed from a match commander greeting about Lennon and not the actual refs report. If the SFA are now taking banning ideas from the polis, we’d be well chucking it altogether. If the SFA are looking into post-match comments from Lennon, they would have to look at Houston who made far more scathing comments about Dougie Dougie post match.
Tynecastle – there is talk that the SFA are still looking at Lennon for the “well, they’ll have got their story right” comment. Which was petulant but in light of Dougie Dougie was spot on. If the SFA did Lennon for this, you get the impression the club would gladly take it to the highest levels of arbitration and they would easily win it.
Thanks for kinda clearing that up lol
What I would say is that Lennon hasn’t helped himself in all of this. His antics are not what you would and should expect from a manager of a club the size of Celtic. Thats not to say that we shouldn’t be questioning some of the age old processes that the SFA employ, although reading George Peats comments yesterday, it would appear that change and transparency are well on their way.
I would like Lennon to just accept his punishment and show a bot more restraint and dignity, should he start to do that then I’m sure he will win an army of new friends across the country.
The real issue here is not the fact that Celtic dropped points, the issue is that the Ref was clearly cheating.
Happens to often and is becoming more and more blatant.
As for all this stuff about Lennon being undignified, what a load of noncience.
Walter Myth is the King of undignified. He behaved like a 60 year old ned a couple of seasons ago when he tried to batter the then Hibs manager big Mixo over a horrific challenge by the Spanish ned. He accused an official of bias beacause he had an Irish sounding name.
He blames the banks for the debt that HE racked up.
Walter Myth indeed.
Jeff
You know your stuff
1. So Smith and Mixu fell out seasons ago, not even close to Lennons behaviour over last few months
2, He didnt accusse anyone of bias, never, simply a lie, people like you assume he did because of the linesmans name, you enjoy doing that type of thing, fits your agenda
3. Since he has come back to the club he has spent over £30 million, brought that back in on transfer fees and a further £30 million in CL monies so to blame him indeed is the only “Myth” on your response
Whats not a “Myth” are the 20 domestic trophies he has brought us in his total tenure at Ibrox
Great post though, well done
Do you have a job?
Yes thanks
Off just now, not long in from school Jeff?
learn anything today?
Scooter,
Still awaiting a comment on Monday nights attandance at a vital cup game at Owebrox.
You also state that Celtic have had one penalty given against them this season in the league – any thoughts on that penalty?
Ah here comes the class clown
Please forgive me but a Celtic fan having a view about crowds is quite funny is it not, suppose we should have claimed “40k” and be done with it, others have done that for 18 months
And a penalty against you, for us you mean, how dare that happen, over the last 3 or 4 years there has been one team given more pens than the other in Old firm games, give you a clue, its not Rangers
Any view on the disparity of pens for and against for both clubs this season, following on from last season also btw….
You really need to calm down Scooter.
Your getting all worked up now, take it easy.
Yes all worked up
I am getting all worked up
No seriously I am
I need to calm down Jeff
You must be glad the leagues over
5 points is a lot at this stage?
For someone who bangs on about dignity you act in a very undignified manner.
Are you paranoid?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Dont know what you mean Jeffrey
undignified how please?
‘Cos I ripped your poor poor argument to shreds?
Apology, know how easily it is to offend your type
God Al
That will throw them altogether!!
talking about attendances az alkmaar at parkdeed last season . FIRST team friendly 2000 fans
Your type?
It seems that your are not only undignified but a fool and a bigot.
You are a Celtic fan Jeff are you not, you need to calm down if you want to construe “Your type” as anything else mate
Seriously you NEED to calm down, I know Celtic fans (Your Type) get offended by most things but surely you cant get offended by that, there again…
Oh and if you read back through my posts I never mentioned the word Dignity once
Just 2 examples of you reading into things that arent there
Well done, great stuff
Skitter,
I am STILL awaiting an answer! U were the one who brought up attendance figures in the 1st place! By the way, u can’t claim ‘figures’ for cup ties as only tickets sold for the game are included, not who attends or not.
Yes, Celtic have had more penalties, blah blah blah. Any arguments on either one of them? And STILL awaiting your thoughts on Kirk Bentfoot’s blatant cheating………
Jizz,
Quoting attendances at nonsensical meaningless friendlies from last season when Celtic’s underachievers season was dead? Seriously?
Al,
Wikipedia? Seriously?
Was that not quite dignified and logical for one of ‘my type’? Forgive me but I can’t use crayons online for you Jizz.