So its ‘family reasons’ and not Celtic that forced Hugh out
We should all bear that in mind…
There is maybe something in the water down Hampden way…and if you are a family member of an employee there, we recommend you watch out.
It’s not that long ago that Gordon Smith resigned from his role at the SFA citing the need to look after his ill parents.
We at WeKnowSFA are absolutely delighted with the sparkling recovery Mr and Mrs Smith have made with regards their health. They have improved so much that Gordon has been able to leave them in peace for hours on an end. This has allowed Smith to appear on the BBC and deliver his thoughts on the game to the nation.
And now, after Smith, Hugh Dallas has resigned and once again, family reasons is all we are given.
Not the fact that he agreed to the lies concocted in the referees room at Tannadice nor the fact that he reiterated they same lies on the radio that week. Nor was it to do with the internal matter of forwarding emails which led the SFA to have an investigation into him.
No, it was none of these things, it’s family reasons.
The traditional media will no doubt run glowing tributes and testimonies of Hugh Dallas in the next few days – this website won’t be joining them.
These same traditional media outlets will also be quick to remind their readers that “one club”, that supposedly doesn’t have a name, has been instrumental in bringing about the downfall of poor Hugh Dallas. Which of course is nonsense, Hugh has left of his own accord and we hope that the family members suffering problems recover swiftly. No doubt a job with the BBC awaits Hugh when his family get back on their feet.
The SFA must not think that the exit of Dallas solves the problems of refereeing as the need for transparency is needed more than ever. The media can spin it however they want, they can even chase all of the foreign refs out of Scotland so that no games go ahead this weekend…but there is a top to toe clear-out needed at Hampden and there is no better time than now to start it.
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I wholeheartedly agree with everything you have said. Doubtless he will be a Radio Scotland pundit within a few months
The media print/say what they want.
A Shallow bunch.
History has always been written by the victors, so it has always been…
Take the war to them, we´ve won the first battle…
Let US write the next page of history…
Their Empire is crumbling…
Up the Dubs!!!!
Hail Hail
You lot really have to calm down. You have been after Dallas for 11 years, since he was coined, house attacked after the Old firm game that saw Rangers win the league. You have now got your man. My god its ironic after all that time you still look for others to blame when things go wrong
We also now know religious leaders have a say in Scottish football, that is truly Genie out of the bottle stuff
If anyone of the easily offended on here can hand on heart say they have never ever sent a joke email on or indeed a text message then they are liars, and we all now know what should happen to each and everyone of them now that Dallas has gone for exactly that
Well done Celtic on winning this battle, the war could prove to be much longer
Just who will be left to blame for celtics deficincies after its all over??
McDonald will be next, probably quite rightly in my opinion, however how many times do we now have to go through this with Celtic FC?
Your comments look very similiar to a popular website for celtic fans running stories all day
Again if anyone has information lets get it out on the table, why hold onto it
Reading different sites its embarrassing seeing Celtic fans reaction to all this
One site talking of your very own “Berlin wall” moment
My god
1st thing they have won for ages . ffs sad
Hugh Dallas sent an offensive email regarding the leader of the Catholic church. It was nothing to do with Celtic. His position was made untenable by his own actions and, after pressure from the Catholic church, he was, in essence, sacked.
Celtic is a club open to all regardless of colour or creed so why would Celtic complain about it? Would they complain if it was an offensive email about the Queen?
Dallas had to go and everyone knew it. Nobody in football had to put pressure on anyone for that to happen.
We try to win things by ourselves.
Dont want or need a helping hand.
There are games and titles that Celtic have lost that I have no problem with.
Operation Save Rangers I do have a problem with…
Enough is enough.
A level playing ground is better by far for all, no?
hand on heart scooter i’ve never lied
your old pal dougie dougie
Scooooooterrrrrr – Firstly if i were caught sending any ” jokes ” which would’ve been classed as ” offensive ” from my work resource i’d also have been sacked – thats the bottom line here – would you?
Secondly, how many times will Celtic be affected by the SFA in matters – we heard all the paranoia gumph but its becoming apparent the more we question the more we’re found right.
Thirdly, we don’t need help, what good will it do either Celtic or Rangers that Dallas’ is out? Level playing field for ALL of Scotland is what’s needed – whether thats to out any bias towards anyone or simply to improve refereeing thats what is needed not for Celtic to get any dubious decisions.
Lastly, on the email scandal, IF Neil Lennon were to send an offensive email regarding the Queen, what do you think would be the reaction?
Scooter
Ur 132 years of unsurpassed dignity or bigotry has probably effected ur senses. That playing field is starting to look level.
Fuck this tattie munching site. fuck off back to your poverty ridden ireland ya bunch of *********** fucks.
Dallas didnt walk away he was sacked this afternoon its a cover up to try and stop the media hype. This info is straight from within the sfa
Seem to remember a distinct paranoid hysteria coming from ibrox way when Celtic were busy winning 3 in a row and rangers fans wee rampaging through the streets of Europe .
How easily the pot forgets.
PJ, it is a “level playing field” at the moment, you lot just cant accept that every team gets decisions for them and against them
Great thing is now the whole world can celtic fans for what they really are
I will say again, if there is evidence Celtic have treated unfairly by anyone lets see it, you then may get some sympathy
Wont hold my breath
and why did we not hear of these errors / bias when Celtic won 3 in a row under Strachan?
Its almost like, perish the thought, you are looking to blame everyone when you struggle
Show everyone the evidence, simple.
Offended by everything, embarrassed by nothing, Celtic FC and their fans
That’s not really true Scooter though is it? It maybe helps your argument to overlook things but that’s not a balanced way of looking at things.
There was outrage from Celtic fans when they were denied a stone-wall penalty kick at Ibrox when Neil Lennon was fouled by Steven Smith. Media favourite Kenny Clark later alluded to bottling out of giving a penalty for a foul on Lennon at the Rangers end.
And if you are talking about the relationship between Celtic and the SFA / SPL during the 3 in a row season, you can hardly call that harmonious.
Let’s not forget, the Dougie Dougie scandal arose from a game that Celtic won – again, something Kenny Clark completely fudged this week with his “managers only highlight referees to take the heat off themselves when they’ve not won” type rant.
So you can pinpoint one decision in the time strachan won 3 in a row, impressive
Could give you:-
Mcdonalds offside goal at Parkhead whenCeltic won 3-2
Penalty for Mcdonald when Broadfoot brought him down outside the box
Barry Robsons assault on Dailly
JVOH attack on Amdy Faye
Hartley breaking McCullochs foot
Penalty not given for Steve Davis Goalbound shot when caldwell clearly handled at ibrox
could go on and on and on, it only proves to show everyone can complain about decisions, everyone also accepts them as part of the game we love and moves on
Its not only Celtic who have decisions go against them, again the only good thing is everyone can see what celtic fans are all about
Put up or shut up time
Neil lennon has been a disgrace this season, his statement at a fans roadshow on 25th July also makes it look premeditated, am surprised (aye right) that nobody has mentioned this
Good list Scooter, we’ll need to dig back out over the three seasons – but will get it to you by end of the weekend – heading out soon.
“Neil Lennon has been a disgrace” – That’s just opinion and the opinion of people who hate Neil Lennon so I don’t think people should worry too much about that – you like Lenny or you hate him, thats the stances.
The fans roadshow comments have been brought up by Quagmire this week, no doubt this is the latest call to arms being issued by Rangers fans to show how evil Lennon is.
It’s all about context and how you take the words – again, if you dont like Lennon, its proof of how evil he is, if you like Lenny, it’s about pulling people together and acting as a team.
Opinions opinions opinions…right, heading out – behave kids, I don’t want to come back and see you’ve all been fighting – enjoy!
Hi Scooter how you doing mate?
I am interested to read that you think Neil Lennon is a disgrace.
What do you think it is that he’s doing wrong? Does he lack dignity, use coarse language? Maybe it’s his body language that offends you.
Have a look at the clips below and see if the guy on here is dignified or not? I am genuinely interested to read what you think about his actions in the clips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY_lr31gREQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7nViAiKWeI
im sure it was a level playing field whens celtic played 1, ross county .2, utrecht . 3, braga .4,rangers four big games on a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD and four humpings . instead of deflecting blame your political leader in charge mr reid is turning blame away from his door to the doors of others.wake up and smell the polish [ on the trophies accross the city]
Reid never mentioned any of they 4 games – Celtic fans were raging at the lack of comment from the PLC board after the Scottish Cup exit against Ross County.
Methinks you may be getting high on the Brasso Jaz.
JamaBhoy
Hope your well mate, firstly the 2 clips you post show Smith in a very poor light, I am sure he would look at this himself and see that.
The fact remains, however, you have had to go back approx 2 years on one and maybe even 15yrs on the other one?
Lennon has lost the plot COMPLETELY in games THIS season, especially Dundee utd away and Hearts away. Not great at posting links but fresh enough in the mind for you to remember?
He has acted like a fan on the touchline, manchild almost whenh things havent gone his way
I am genuinely interested to read your views re his behaviour this season and the fact that he waged war before the start of the season on the “Establishment” with his comments on the 25th July?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXdO0EoprDc&playnext=1&list=PL3AF834CFD1CF1FCF&index=33
And also your thoughts on this(managed to paste a link after all), you wonder why hes hated? Unsure you will find Smith doing the same with same level of hatred and bile pouring out of him
No doubt it was the refs fault though
Waow!!! It’s almost like that whole ‘unseen f*nian hand’ thing never even happened. But it did and that’s why you look like a disingenuous tool, scooter.
TLC
Think its maybe not me looking like a tool right now
who do we shift the blame onto after that result today??
Joke club, joke fans
Celtic got entirely what they deserved today. There is a nervousness and lack of courage in the team these days.
The officials did nothing to bring attention to themselves, which us what good officials do.
Of course, the idea that Celtic blame someone else after every draw or defeat is an utter fabrication. Like the vast majority of games where points are dropped, they just weren’t good enough, today was one of they days.
Rivals will gloat like rivals do, that’s football but yet again, accusations against Celtic and their fans are very wide of the mark.
wasnt there a goal disallowed today that was a perfectly ok goal . now i think thats really funny im llf lol think il go to the pub and listen to whose to blame this week
Don’t remember this thing starting with Celtic looking for a scapgoat for a defeat. You either know that, Scooter, which would confirm you as a disingenuous tool, or, you haven’t yet realised that, which would suggest you’re a moron who’s spent time and effort commenting on a subject he doesn’t understand.
Which is it, Champ?
Don’t remember this thing starting with Celtic looking for a scapgoat for a defeat
Hearts, Rangers – theres 2 games where the officals were blamed
Can you remind me how may games you have lost in the leaue, oh its those 2
Quel surprise
I, like every other fan in this country, understand this subject fully
I say we should bring in foreign refs, what about you TOOL?
Today proved one thing though
There is indeed a god
Think the phrase is, “Be careful what you wish for”
Clearly you don’t, Champ. You may have missed it while you had you head buried in your sister’s underpants, but this actually started with Steven Craven revealing that he had resigned as a result of pressure put on him by Dougie McDonald to lie about the sequence of events that led to MCDonald’s overturning of the penalty against Dundee Utd and by Dallas to perpetuate that lie to both the media and Neil Lennon. Celtic’s position all along has been that someone who lies while in a position where integrity is paramount should surely find that position untenable, not an unreasonable viewpoint.
To suggest this was brought about by comments made after the Rangers and Hearts games – where Lennon legitimitly questioned the awarding of a penalty and the sending off of Ledley respectively, and akin to Walter Smith’s questioning Willie Collum’s sending off of Kenny Miller – is either totally disingenuous or moronically I’ll-informed.
So again, Which is it, Champ?
oh and if Steven Craven knew of an anti bias all the way trough the SFA do you not think he would have told everyone when he had his 5 minutes in the sun?
Cmon “Champ” you know you lot, like your manchild manager, have lost the plot
Manchild also said after Hearts game “they are probably in there making up their stories” surely your not thick enough to think all the ref stuff is all about the Utd game, surely Chimp?
Bring in foreign refs I say, what about you Chimp?
and just as a final point
It started when Manchild made his comment on 25th July, months before any game against Utd
ok Chimp?
Skitter, quote:
“Manchild also said after Hearts game “they are probably in there making up their stories” surely your not thick enough to think all the ref stuff is all about the Utd game, surely Chimp?”
Seeing as this game occurred AFTER the fiasco at United where officials colluded afterwards to get a story straight I think it’s quite a valid thing for him to say. Craig Thomson hasn’t uttered a word about his decisions that day, either justifying them or claiming them as simple errors. One of the new pieces of legislation brought in should give refs the full opportunity to explain their actions in a clear and concise manner just like other civilised leagues in the world do. Greater transparency is needed all round so even Mr Dignity Uncle Watty can be satisfied with that. How could you possibly raise an argument against that?
If anyone had serious delusions of Satanic, goat-sacrifcing match fixing and it actually WAS happening how on Earth could they possibly prove this fact?
Unless I had proof of this I would never state for certain it goes on. On the other hand, hoe can folk be so adamant that it doesn’t go on? If corruption can happen in leagues around the world (Serie A for a start) and at top levels of government why would anyone totally dismiss it happening at a backwoods mini-league in Scotland? Purely a hypothetical question beforeanyone starts with the ‘paranoid tim blah blah blah’ soundbites.
And finally Skitter,
Do you really want a list of Uncle Watty’s less dignified outbursts over the last couple of years? It may lead you to discover that it is not just Lenny (in your opinion) who is prone to petulant-child like outbursts.
I’m off out now for a life and all that…….
Great point Billy (couldnt be arsed reading it all to be fair)
I say bring in foreign refs, what about you?
“anti bias”? What is that exactly, Champ? Impartiality? And why would Craven need to have evidence of it?
You’re really not getting it, are you, homeslice? The issue is not about institutional bias ( or anti bias in the language of moron if you like), it’s about the issue of perceived integrity of the games officials and the transparent checks and balances that should be in lace to ensure that perceived integrity is upheld. McDonald and Dallas breached that integrity when they embarked on the course of action they took and the SFA compounded that breach by fudging the disciplinary action of those involved. Celtic have pushed to reinstate that integrity.
Getting it yet, Champ?
TLC
Celtic would not know the meaning of integrity if it smacked them in the chops
1. How they getting on finding those who ahd the infamous Poppy banner
2. How they getting on finding the moron who threw a coin at the Rangers doctor
3. How they getting on finding those who throw tcoins and lighters at Ricksen
4. How was the trip to Japan at end of 2008 season?
Celtic & Integrity is certainly something thht shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence
Getting it yet, Chimp?
oh and the War Criminal talking about lies and deceit at the celtic AGM just about sums it up……
WMD anyone??
And this is relevant how exactly, Champ? Lighters? Poppies? WMD? What?
Do you actually vet any of this sh*t before you type it or are you so cerebrally challenged that you think it has merit in what is beingdiscussed?
Sorry
Thought we were talking about integrity Chimp
The great thing about Celtic and their current/latest crusade against the evil forces of the establishment (incidentally set up to stop them winning anything) is that it clearly deflects from the real problem facing their club. Two seasons worth of CL dosh lost to a Rangers team on it’s knee’s financially, meanwhile they have thrown millions around at a foreign legion under Lennon and all the loans and mistakes under Mowbray. Meanwhile Lawell and Reid (with Desmond in the background somewhere) have got off scot free from the support for their total failure to put Rangers to bed for a considerable period of time.
Stories of bent referee’s, a campaign to save Rangers from the SFA etc etc. Honestly people who believe this should be wrapped up in blankets and kept in padded cells for their own benefit, some of them posting on here now as well.
An old saying springs to mind “Look in before you look out”.
PS – Not got a paper today yet, is there calls from the Catholic Church to have Zander Diamond and Michael Paton of Aberdeen sacked for their grossly bigoted and sectarian remarks recently during the Popes visit?
Yup, and about as relevant as the integrity of your punctuation, Von Goethe.
Just a few points I’d like to make regarding this whole sorry debacle.
- I strongly feel that the witchhunt against mcdonald has more to do with the perceived injustice that he didn’t give bougherra a second yellow at ibrox last year. Yes he was very stupid to lie about how he came about making the decision and I do believe he needed to be punished for making such an error of judgement but the level of hounding has been ridiculous. Yes we need to be able to trust refs but he didn’t do anything that would suggest his decisions on the pitch showed any form of pre-meditated bias. Yes he lied but everyone lies. Doesn’t make it right but does confuse me as to why everyone is suddenly so righteous or convinced this will now have an impact on his decisions on the pitch. Celtic have spoken that this isn’t to do with feeling bias but more to do with being able to have trust in an officials integrity. If that was the case and we should all be worried about integrity then why haven’t any other of the 11 spl clubs asked for his head? It is Celtic that are out on their own on this one thanks to generation after generation of fans managing to convince each other that the world/league/sfa/spl is against them. The fact that he has now resigned means that we have lost another experienced and qualified official – and bearing in mind we lost a few of them for age reasons recently we don’t have many more to lose. Unfortunately his position had become untenable as John Reid said, but only because of celtic over reaction to the situation and that meaning who could probably never be able to officiate another celtic game. And as soon as that happens I’m afraid that means he cant ref in the spl cos you cant have a situation that a club can effectively pick or choose it refs. Games a bogey at that point
- There have been some poor decisions in recent years but I think the ‘deteriorating standard’ in officiating has been exaggerated. If an official made a bad decision 20 years ago you saw it once at the game and maybe once on the highlights to make your own opinion. Now the influx of camera angles, replays, websites, blogs, fanpages, google and youtube allow every poor decision to be remembered, saved, logged and debated to the nth degree. This builds a portfolio for anyone with an axe to grind. Decisions go for and against everyone but if you want to build an argument to suit your requirements then it is easy to do so.
- The general respect for refs from everyone in football is shocking. It is maybe one of only a couple sports in the world where every week you will see players and managers alike chasing, hounding and swearing at officials. The story I often tell to illustrate this came from when I was growing up. I played both rugby and football as an 11 year old. At rugby you were told the refs decision was final and you couldn’t and shouldnt argue back. If you did you would often find the coach subbing or dropping you. At the same time I would be told by my football coach if the ball comes off you for a throw in, claim for it, stick your hand up you might get it. Meanwhile he would be venting his anger at every decision made. A crackdown and a flurry of yellow cards if someone other than a captain argues a decision would be great to see.
- The blaming of refs is being used by too many coaches and players. It is also taking up far too much attention in the media. It has overshadowed the real issues. The deterioration in basic skill level in the Scottish game. Still making 11 year olds play on full size pitches. Young players picked regarding size rather than technical ability. Poor foreign imports being used as short term fixes.
- Hugh Dallas was an idiot and should never have sent such an email. Still cant help feeling some were overly keen to jump on him due to one day at parkhead in 99 due to the glee at which some have seen his departure. Although he does appear to be a very arrogant man and quite possibly we will be better off without him.
- The request to get refs to reveal their childhood teams is ridiculous and will only lead to more problems. If a ref says he comes from a family of Motherwell fans then what happens next. Does he get Motherwell games? Does he get to ref a Dundee united game on the last day of the season if they are challenging ‘well for a place in Europe and more importantly are we basically saying cos of a link with Motherwell then we can guarantee that he wont referee with fairness? Therefore calling his professional integrity into question with no other evidence? Would create more questions than answers and why the fuck an MSP is getting involved is beyond me. Havent you got political decisions to concentrate on?
- Giving refs a platform to explain why they made a decision after a game could be good. But I cant help but feel it would just be used as another stick to batter them with if they don’t give the ‘right’ answer or use the ‘right’ terms. Another method would be to agree to leave the decisions on the pitch and move to a place where the referees decision is final.
Apologies for the length of my opinion/rant. Happy if you agree or disagree, it’s just how I see it.
Cheers for the lengthy post MYT.
Far too late on a Sunday night to go over everything. Agree with some points, strongly disagree on others…no surprises there.
Just a quick point – if a referees decision is final….which decision is final? The first one…or the one made after half a team crowd round him and act aggressively towards him? (its funny how no one has questioned the United players behaviour in that incident)…or the one agreed upon in the dressing room after the game???
Society has hugely changed in recent years – patience is gone and people react, over-react and complain about everything. The fact that video highlights and blogs means every decision is debated to an inch of its life is not 100% a good thing but equally, it provides fewer hiding places for those that actively make wrong decisions. Swings and roundabouts on that one!
Haha, good point regarding the final decision. It really was a strange and unique case that day.
My reading of it is that he changed his decision in his own mind. He gave the pen quickly when he saw the collision with the keeper. But a second later i think he’s realised how far the ball had been knocked away by the keepers hand and thought ‘oh shit’ i think ive blown too quickly here. But by this point he is in a predicament. If he sticks with the pen then he feels he is doing united an injustice. If he goes with what he now believes to be the right decision he is doing something which none of us have seen in our lives watching football in altering his decision.
I dont think the united players had an influence. He has no previous regarding changing decisions under player-pressure so i think we can rule that one out.
But again this is all my reading of it. Unless he says (and people believe him) we will never know. I can see a scenario where he does tell a sunday paper exactly what went through his mind, but depending on peoples (already formed) opinion on it whether dougie’s final offering matches that will determine whether people will believe him or not. He’s damned if he does and damned if he doesnt.
Incidently i didnt think it was a penalty but that’s by the by.
What i would say he got badly wrong was how he handled the drop-ball. This was the sign of a man who had got him self rattled and lost all composure in a situation i guess he never thought he would have got himself in. He panicked and just wanted the game to restart as quickly as possible to move it along. A bad bad error of judgement. But again if he didnt think it was a penalty then a drop ball in uniteds area could be seen as harsh for them when they havent done anything wrong. But again that depends on your point of view whether it was a pen or not.
One thing i dont think has been brought up is…..If there is an inference that his decision was ‘biased’ against celtic (and i believe many fans if not necessarily the club have had this inference) then if he wanted to be bias…..then why did he award the penalty in the first place? If he was biased it would be a lot simpler just to wave away the claims.
Speaking of inference….and back to the dallas affair. I know Celtic havent called for dallas to be sacked, in effect distancing themselves from the call by the catholic church (and rightly so)…….but dallas was sacked for sending an inappropriate email in poor taste regarding paedophilia. Would he have been sacked or had calls for him to be sacked over this if the butt of the joke was Gary Glitter?…..I think not…….i feel the inference again here is that he has had a pop at the head of the catholic church….and is therefore ‘anti-celtic’. I understand that Celtic arent a catholic club and are open to all creeds and religions, but again i feel that is the inference (i’m liking that word) from many fans as if to say. “There you go, i knew it all along he had it in for us”. Again, i could be wide of the mark and people really shouldnt use their work email for that sort of content…..but if that were the case, half of the uk should do the honest thing and hand in their notice tomorrow. Doesnt make it right but i think he has been hung out to dry by peoples opinion on him before the email scenario and not because of the email alone. Peoples opinion on whether he was good at his job is another debate.
Celtic fans have got their targets tho and as one site said with over-exaggerated zealous….theyve got their ‘berlin wall’ moment. (Perhaps displaying that the levels of such outrage in recent weeks have been deliberately exaggerated in order to achieve goals on the road to a bigger project to try and reverse the perceived ‘wrongs’ of the past……but that sounds like another can of worms so i think i may call it a night).
I think you make some valid points, MYT, although I strongly disagree with the assertion that Celtic’s “overreaction” created the intense environment which resulted in McDonald’s decision to resign today. I would suggest that as soon Craven made his allegations to the media the die was cast for McDonald and subsequent media hounding was more a result of the SFA’s reluctance to take obvious disciplinary action that was needed to defuse the media-driven hysteria caused by the Craven revalations and McDonald’s subsequent admission. I think most would agree that holding down the same position of trust within the game after such an admission, and the fact that the admission was a reaction forced upon him rather than a pre-emptive one taken in freewill, is a pretty unrealistic expectation.